Friday, August 31, 2012

Disposable Vs. Cloth Cost

So I'm doing this a little late, but I sat down today and figured out the costs. Prior to figuring this out myself I checked numerous websites that averaged out to $2,500 per child to diaper with disposables, and $800-$1,000 in cloth. My estimate came a wee lower than the $2500, but I also haven't factored in wipes. I didn't factor wipes because I haven't bought cloth wipes yet. I'm sure this would be the easiest so one doesn't go in the trash and other in the laundry, but I haven't done it yet so I didn't factor it as "saving."

Someone tell me if I did this wrong! I used 360 days to make it even (over 3 years= 1,082 days). I also used the Target web site, Pampers stay dry, and the economy large packs (costing $44.99):

0-3 months-90 days-12 changes per day= $202 (approx.). I got this number by dividing 12 changes per day by the 234 diapers in the pack. That came to needing a new pack about every 20 days. In a 90 day period that would mean you need about 4.5 packs. At $44.99 per pack, that's $202.00.

3-6 months-90days-8 changes per day-204 dipes per pack =$161.96

6-30 months- 720 days- 6 changes per day-172 dipes per pack =$1132.00

30-36 months-90 days- 5 changes per day (for this one I used what I buy Gabriel. Target Up and Up size 6, 60 dipes for $13.99) = $209

Total cost = $1704.96 (not including wipes and if you use diaper genie)

Cloth analysis now with accessories such as wet/dry bag, hose, and snappie:

I got this portion off Urbanmommies.com because it seems pretty right on.

48 Organic Cotton Prefolds + 8 Covers + 4 Snappis + Accessories: $415 or.. 30 bumGenius One Size Pocket Diapers + Accessories: $825 or.. 48 Kissaluv Cotton Fitted Diapers (24 sm, 24 med)+ 8 Covers + Accessories: $910 or.. 40 Fuzzi Bunz Pocket Diapers (24 sm, 16 med) + Accessories: $1010

plus..

Home Laundering (based on 15 loads/month, including washer + dryer + detergent) = $533.88 (61% of cost is dryer use)

They say you need about 24-30 diapers in your stash, so the above #'s COULD be a little less. You can then re sell the dipes (for about 50% of what you bought them for), or use with another baby (in theory). I say -in theory- because that would mean that one baby is out of diapers when the next is getting in them. Anyway, there is still a significant savings from what I can see. Especially if you go mostly prefold. Also, if you air dry. That will cut down on laundering more.

Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Venturing into Cloth Diapering!

Today I went to Cloth Diapering 101 at the Bumbledoo store downtown. I had been wanting to learn more about cloth, so this was the perfect opportunity. After looking at all my options, I decided on pre folds (the price probably won me over) and a BumGenius all in one. Basically I wanted at least a few all in one diapers for when the kids are at Sunday School (church) or grandma's house. All you have to do with these is change them and throw them in a wet/dry bag! Easy! Pre folds are not difficult either from what I understand. Basically you take the cloth, fold it around your baby, close it with what they call a "snappi," and put on a cover. The cover is the water proof portion. You don't have to wash this unless it gets soiled. So from what I hear the covers will be washed 1-2 times a week while you will wash the cloth every other day. I'll be doing more laundry, but thank God for the washer and dryer =). I'm home anyway working with both the kids and job, so it will just mean an extra 2-3 trips to the garage every other day. I'm also planning on line drying. We will see how that goes, but the sun is supposed to bleach out any bacteria that could be left in the cloth. Here are a few things I've learned from friends:

*Use a detergent that is cloth safe. No dyes, perfumes, brighteners, etc.. I use All Free and Clear and they say that is fine although the Bumgenius site says warranty is void if you used detergent with a brightener. SO, I might be changing detergents for that reason.

*Throw diapers in a wet/dry bag at home or on the go: http://www.kellyscloset.com/Planet-Wise-Wet-Bags_p_3436.html (Home bucket. Thank you Jessica Crosmun)

*Wash every other day

*Strip diapers (dawn original formula soap) about every 6 months

*Cold pre wash to get all the "nasty" off, hot wash with detergent (use less than recommended. The less detergent the better), and cold rinse with nothing.

*Use the hose attached to the toilet to initially rinse diaper into the toilet

*You need about 24 one size diapers or about 12 of each size if you are using sized diapers.

Ok, so I learned a lot today! I sound like a cloth diaper guru and I haven't cloth diapered my first child yet =). Thanks friends for all of your advice and tips!

So why cloth diaper? Well, according to Urban Mommies.com (http://www.urbanmommies.com/babies/diaper-cost-comparison-sheet/ ) disposable diapers cost anywhere in the range of $2500-$3200 from birth to potty trained. Cloth diapers range from $400-$1,000+ laundry in the range of $540 (mostly dryer use). BUT with cloth you can use them for more than 1 child and/or SELL them after your done! SO, you make money back if you properly take care of them (or just use them for 2-3 kids). I don't know about you but that sounds like a cost savings, and I squeak every time I go to Target for more diapers and formula. Next month Elizabeth will be one year old and all you mom's know what that means (whole milk! YAH!). I wish I could have breastfed for longer than 7 months but I couldn't, so formula prices bite me in the wallet. I'm hoping diaper prices won't after the initial investment!

What else did I purchase? A sprayer for the toilet, a training diaper for Gabriel, a snappi to close the cloth diaper, and a wet/dry bag. Wish me luck people!!!!! I'm hoping to use these for the next baby Barnett.

Bumgenius all in one:

Prefolds:

The cover looks just like the outside of the BumGenius all in one above.

Hose that hooks to toilet:

and last but not least, the snappi:

More to come on this venture! My diapers are currently going through their "prep" cycles. Basically you have to wash and dry cloth diapers 3-5 times before initial use to make them super absorbent, soft, and pre shrunk. This part isn't fun. I'm not liking this, but I guess I won't have to do it often. I should have bought more diapers before doing this (only doing it with 7 right now), but I didn't want to buy a whole stash without trying them out... Again, wish me luck!

Thursday, August 23, 2012

A Strong Need to Defend the Bible

Some will see this post as a need to defend myself. That is not the case. I wanted to defend the Bible. Today I got caught up in an "argument" on Facebook (silly, stupid, and absolutely pointless I know) about "spanking." I would feel the need to defend myself if I felt I were doing anything wrong, but I'm not. I do, however, feel the need to defend the Bible because of the way people distort it! I realize that God doesn't need my help, but it irritates me to no end that people make "God" into a monster, and "Jesus" into this hippie type, love everybody, do good dude/homeboy. So we separate Old Testament and New Testament and we conveniently take the Bible OUT of context and apply it to our modern day human psychology. In other words, we twist the Bible OUT of context to fit it into modern life and thought. The Bible is MUCH more simple than that. So, down to the brass tacks on spanking:

The verse I used initially was Proverbs 23:13-14, " Do not withold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod you will save his soul from Sheol."

-So, let's get down the the nitty gritty. The word Discipline in Hebrews is transliterated: muwcar. It means, "1) discipline, chastening, correction. The word rod is Hebrew- shebet . It means, a) rod, staff. The word strike is nakah, and is used 500 times in the Bible with different meaning. For THIS verse, since the scripture says, "he will not die," we can cut out MANY of the meanings. "To give a thrust" is the most fitting definition. The others are NOT to be applied, or confused, with disciplining a child. We are NEVER to bruise, wound, beat, attack, or kill a child. The purpose of discipline is only to startle a child, not to inflict serious injury such as bruising.So to understand this a little better we need to put it IN CONTEXT.

What is the context? Well, the context is found in the meaning of the words used. We could put it like this,"Do not withhold chastening or correction from your child. If you apply force to your child's bottom, he will not die. If you swat him with the rod of correction you will save his soul from hell." Well, how is that possible? God gives us a perfect illustration as a shepherd tends to his flock. David uses the rod in Psalm 23. He says, "Thy rod and thy staff comfort me." Same word, shebet. So, what did shepherds use the rod for? Four things (and this is from a secular source on shepherding, www.ehow.com) 1. Throw the rod gently at a sheep to get its attention or warn it not to do something. Shepherds use rods this way as a tool of discipline. Do not throw it to hurt the sheep, just to startle them into compliance. 2. Club a predator 3. Inspect sheep 4. Poke and press into line. Number 1, throw the rod gently at a sheep to get its attention shows a physical disciplinary technique. To startle the sheep. Same could go for "giving a thrust" to a child's bottom. To startle him into compliance! So, why is this comforting? Well we know that the ONLY reason we would get any sort of physical discipline is to keep us from danger. What danger does a child of God have in disobeying his mom or dad? Well, Proverbs 23 says hell. Disobedience of mom and dad leads to disobedience and disrespect for God. Disciplining a child teaches him compliance, obedience, and respect. It is for the BENEFIT of the child, not for the destruction of the child. God does not discipline HIS sheep to hurt them, bruise their character, or destroy them. God disciplines to train, guide, and lift up a person to LIFE. This should be our goal in discipline! Sometimes simply pulling the child back from danger doesn't train the child. He'll do it again because he doesn't realize the danger (and there was no consequence for his action). Sometimes the child needs to be startled (spanked) and redirected. If you don't know anything about sheep you would have a harder time understanding the physical discipline, and redirection needed, to redirect the animal. Sheep are not intelligent animals (not saying children are not intelligent. I am only saying that they do not understand the complexities of life yet. They do not understand if they run out in the middle of the road they will get hit by a car. This is why God gives them parents)! Sheep DO NOT UNDERSTAND "reasoning" or "communication." It was said that the staff was only used to "point" in the direction the sheep should go. Yea, right. A sheep needs to be "poked" and MOVED into the direction you want it to go. With a little force. Not to cripple, but to say, "hey, move here or I will physically move you.Next time they will know, "I don't want to go there, I'll get poked." If you believe you could point a herd of sheep in the right direction, I would invite you to the farm. I would seriously like to see that.

Like sheep, children also can not understand WHY you are giving the command. So, you apply physical discipline as a punishment, instead of reason. A kid understands, "if I run away from mom in the parking lot I will get a spank." They can not possibly understand, "if I run away from mom in the parking lot I could potentially get hit by a car and die." What is death? They don't know what death is! Tell them they are going to die and they say, "die?" "Ok... die." If you spank them, however, they can understand that immediate consequence. One more example. If a child hits another child. You say, "you can't hit, you will hurt the other child." O.k., well what is hurt? What is pain? THEY DON'T KNOW! But if you pop them on the bottom when they hit Bobby in the face, they will understand hitting leads to punishment. THEN at an advanced age you can explain hurt, feelings, consequence of actions, etc.. So I believe at an older age physical discipline won't be needed as often.

To say the verse above (Proverbs) doesn't literally mean physical punishment is ridiculous. What do we strike with? Authority? Our words? Nope, I don't think so.

Why did I feel the need to defend the Bible? Because acting like God doesn't discipline His children physically, or with force, paints God in the wrong light. Then when He DOES punish with the "rod" of correction, He looks cruel and evil. UNLESS you understand that discipline is ONLY out of love. Hebrews 12:11 says,"For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it." The goal is fruit of righteousness. Not to "beat down" a child as someone put it. Yes, I agree with that statement, but spanking isn't parallel with "beating them down," so stop intertwining the two. People run from one side of the "ditch" to the other side (not spanking at all to beating). There can't be a balance in some peoples minds. In these peoples minds it always comes down to, "your hitting your child and hitting leads to more hitting." Yes, maybe if you were hitting your child it would. I never HIT my children, and the Bible doesn't instruct us to hit them. It instructs us to physically get their attention, and my son knows the difference. If he acts out and hits someone, as all children do at some point, it is out of anger or frustration. Physical discipline is never out of anger or frustration, and children notice the difference.

It is important for us to understand HOW to discipline our children so we understand our relationship with God. Sometimes we do not understand WHY we can't do something. God says, "don't do this," we do it and punishment results, so we learn, "uh oh, don't want to do that again!" We may not understand the complexities of the situation! Same goes with disciplining. The Bible says to do it! Don't do it and you will be punished by your child, "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to himself] bringeth his mother to shame. " Proverbs 29:15